"Transitions Happen All the Time", with Adriane Jones, on Career Breaking, Distance Running, Rest, and Letting Go.

Transcript:
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Hello everyone, Welcome to The Intersection, a podcast program about intersectionality, intersectional identities, and intersectional journeys, both personally and professionally.
And they're always intertwined.
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And today I have a friend appear and a fellow podcaster, her name is Adrian Jones.
Adrian and I met via a mutual friend and also appear Wendy, I believe, who moved to Arizona last year.
0:46
I think what is time?
Nobody knows.
We miss her.
But thanks to her, Adrian and I were able to meet and we learned that we actually, we practically live in the same neighborhood, not quite very close.
1:03
So Adrian is a learning and development expert, and she's also the host of the Career Breaker podcast.
And without further ado, I want to invite Adrian to introduce herself.
1:20
Welcome, Adrian.
Hi, Joe, thank you so much for having me here.
It's always fun to have these conversations online and record them when we also just went on a walk together in our neighborhood.
So it's fun to see like the many different ways that we can connect in this world.
1:37
Thank you for having me.
I am a career and learning and development leader and I've spent my entire career in the space of helping people on their career journeys.
It has taken many forms in how I'm helping people and also how I've worked throughout my life, and I'm sure we'll get more into that, but I'm really motivated by the future of work and creating equitable working experiences for people.
2:09
I'm a woman, I'm a parent, and so I have my own story about what that means to me.
And then as you mentioned, I'm also a podcast host.
I am the host of the Career Breaker show, and I get to often times be on the other side of the mic.
2:26
So it's fun to be here with you on this side.
Yeah, and I agree.
Yeah, it's always very interesting to be on both sides of things.
And also, you know, we get to see each other in real life.
It feels very multi dimensional and just kind of it's very fun to be in the space together.
2:46
So I want to perhaps invite to bring us back a little bit.
Before you became independent leader in the leadership learning and development space, what were you doing and what made you decide to make the transition?
3:04
So I am really interested in learning about the transition like that moved you.
Forward, Yeah.
OK.
So I think what we're getting at here is if you took a look at my LinkedIn, right, where we can always see the journey by years of where we've gone with our careers, you would notice that I had a career in learning and development inside of organizations.
3:31
And then you'll notice in 2020, I suddenly decided to work for myself.
And so I think that's the transition that we want to explore here.
Right?
Great.
OK, So the question being how, you know, how did I go from working inside of organizations to running my own organization?
3:51
And I will say that the reason I decided to make that choice has there's many reasons why there's not just one, but the first being I was looking for an opportunity to continue to contribute to my craft and help people in their careers in a way that also supported my own learning and development and also gave me the flexibility that I needed at that moment in my life.
4:24
And so I mentioned I'm a parent back in 2020 when I started my business, I was parenting A2 year old and a three-year old through a global pandemic, their daycare shut down, right?
Like many of us were afraid to go anywhere.
It was just like a very uncertain time.
4:42
And for about 6 weeks I, I attempted to do the, the, the parents working parent work, stay at home parents for them.
And I love my kids and I love the work that I do.
4:58
So I was trying to find that and that I think we're often told like we have to choose, like you have to choose the career, you choose to be a parent.
And I was really curious about like, can I have both?
Can both be an option here for me.
5:14
And so I found the way to do that was having my own business where I could set my own hours.
I could be flexible if I needed to take my kid to an appointment or I mean, just looking forward since I'm a forward thinking person.
I kept thinking like when my kids are older and school age, I will only have from 9:00 in the morning, maybe 8:00 in the morning until 2:30 to work since they're in school.
5:43
And so how does one manage the drop off and the pick up while also doing the work that they care about?
And so I decided to launch my own business, but also I launched that business not just for flexibility, but because I was really interested in all that I could learn through having my own business.
6:02
And so for five years I've been doing this.
And so I joke that I have like a double MBA at this point, or maybe like a masters MBA, right?
And so, so I gained so much experience, experiential learning through owning my own business and, and running my own show.
6:19
And it has been a journey.
And I'm just so grateful that I was able to do that at that point in time and really follow what the path that I that I thought I was interested in.
And yeah, things are always evolving.
6:36
So now I've shifted again to move away from necessarily creating leadership development programs for companies, which is what I was doing a lot of, to creating what I call career development programs.
And while I also try to figure out my own career.
6:56
So I've made some some transitions in the last year and I decided I, I wanted to refocus and I took some time to figure out what that would look like.
And now I think I'm an advocate for other people.
And that's how my podcast started.
I'm an advocate for other people who also want to take that time to explore and consider what can be possible in their careers beyond the traditional path that we tell ourselves we have to stay on.
7:21
And so I share a lot on LinkedIn and in my newsletter and through my podcast, I share about my own career journey as well because it continues to evolve and unfold.
And I think having these transitions will always be a part of my career story and the career story of many people.
7:41
We're not working in a time and in history where we do the exact same thing that we've always done.
So yeah, lots to unpack there.
But I would say you're talking to me in a moment of transition also about the transitions that I've had in my career in the.
7:56
Past yes, I love that.
I think that kind of now I feel like I should have made it clear because it feels like transition happens all the time.
That's part of kind of this life, You know, it always evolves, it changes, it's absent flows, it's dynamic.
8:16
So when I talked about transitions, I was more referring to, you know, the before and now I see like, well, transitions are happening right now as well.
So I appreciate you clarifying that and thank you for sharing the story for you to move into the independent space.
8:37
I'm also curious, you know, we talk about, so when you were doing more of learning and developing, it felt like you are learning via teaching, which I think is almost the best way to learn is to teach.
8:58
And right now you are the host of the Career Breaker show, which I think in a way is also teaching, but via a platform.
And of course, as we do it, we all learn a lot from our guests and also the technical stuffs, you know, like technical issues, sound, audio, etcetera.
9:24
So could you share a little bit about what inspired you to start Career Breaker Show?
Yeah.
OK.
So I started the career breaker show because a little over a year ago I was really what I call kind of lost in my career.
9:45
Like I just, I just, I'd had this really fulfilling many years of working in learning and development and companies and building really amazing things for employees.
And I built a learning product that won a Portland Business Journal award.
And I had managed teams and I built learning and development teams and I built my own business and I did really well.
10:06
I did actually financially, the best financial outcome was through owning my own business.
And so I'd really hit like a lot of these check boxes of success.
And I remember 10:00-ish years ago, dreaming of having my own business and imagining what it would be like with kids and wanting to have that flexibility, not just for a family, but for myself as well.
10:26
I'm, I'm a distance runner.
So my hobby actually requires a lot, a lot of time.
And so being able to have a work life that would support me going on two or three hour long runs places, being able to take care of my health and well-being.
10:41
And so I decided that I, I, you know, I really hit those check boxes of success.
Yeah, I was, I felt like unfulfilled.
And what my question was like, where do I go from here?
And so I decided to reach out to a bunch of people in my network.
10:59
And then through that, I also got introduced to a bunch of other people.
And I wanted to tell stories of other people that had been in that place in their career where they felt like I've hit all these check boxes of success.
11:14
Yet, you know, for me, I'm 37, almost 38 years old, like I have many years of my working life.
And so what's possible?
Where do I go from here?
Definitely not in a position that I can just pack it in and, and volunteer and retire and spend all days in the wilderness traveling and traveling.
11:34
But I, I wish I could, but I also again, love what I do.
So my question was, who else has been in this position and what steps did they take to get to where they are now and where are they and are they fulfilled?
And so I decided to create this podcast out of my own curiosity and out of my own desire to also want to grow in this area.
11:58
I think a a very important skill in today's world is being able to tell a good story and connect the dots and talk to other people and interview people and ask good questions and hold space and be empathetic.
And so I get to put all of those skills on display and then get better at them as well through this podcasting endeavor.
12:18
So yeah, for me, it all came down to how did other people navigate this?
I'm curious.
Let me take myself on a journey to follow that curiosity and see where it leads.
How has that been?
12:35
Do you feel?
Is there a fulfilling program for you or project for you?
Yes, I would say, you know my dream when people ask me now because it's been about a year.
Like, what would you love to spend your time doing?
And in a dream, I would love my podcast to be my job.
12:54
Like being able to help people in this way, right?
Yeah.
Like, I mean, once you start doing it, I understand why this is people's job.
So if you're listening to this and you're interested in sponsoring the Career Breaker show at the end of the day, though, you know, it's a it's a passion.
13:10
I again, I just, I start this, it is right now, like I'm not making money.
I don't have sponsors on my podcast.
This is a passion because I truly care and I'm, I really, I really feel passionately about helping people on their career journeys.
13:26
And so yes, this is immensely fulfilling.
And I have as a result of putting myself out there and, and doing this show, I have had a speaking opportunity that's come from it.
I had a, a gig as a executive coach and facilitator come out of it.
So it's not that it's, it's resulting in something related to the job, but I didn't plan for those things.
13:50
I didn't say I'm going to create the podcast because I know on the other side of this podcast is going to be the dream position waiting for me.
The podcast is the dream position that has led to these other things that are in alignment.
And that's just so cool.
So yes, to answer your question, this is I would say one of the top fulfilling experiences in my entire life, let alone professional career.
14:13
I love that and I agree with you.
I think I told someone privately, I said if I was super rich, right, If I didn't have to worry about money, I will be doing podcasting all day long.
Yes, yes.
14:31
Because it was just so fun.
And I don't know, you mentioned curiosity.
I just, I'm so curious about people's stories and where they were, where they have been, where they're going.
And it's so fascinating.
And it's not linear.
It's just like you mentioned before, it's all evolving at all times.
14:51
OK, So I appreciate you sharing the Career Breaker show and and you mentioned, you know, you love helping people and being an advocate for people either in their career journeys or perhaps in their lives as well.
15:08
And you are a parent.
All those things make me feel like you are a giver.
And I want to say, you know, as caretakers, we if we keep giving, then it could be a sign of danger, right?
15:28
Like, yeah.
So I want to transition, to borrow your word into, you know, taking care of ourselves.
So we give and give gift, and then we also need to take care of ourselves.
And you just mentioned moments ago that you are a distant runner.
15:47
And I know you've been running your entire life.
And you ask me once, do I run?
My answer is absolutely not.
And from my perspective, I think running is part of yourself care system.
16:03
So can you share a little bit of your running life and how are you taking care of yourself like mentally, your health these days?
Yeah, so running has been part of my life story since I was a kid.
I remember I grew up in rural upstate New York, so pretty far from New York City, right in the middle of the state, where there's a lot of cows and a lot of farms and a lot of open space.
16:32
And I love spending time out outdoors.
And I think we lived on like maybe 1/4 of an acre.
So not like a large plot of land, but enough space that I could like run.
I remember like running around my yard as a kid from like the tree swing to like this Fort in my backyard and like to get there and then to run back to the house to get a glass of water like I would just be running.
16:58
So I always have enjoyed that as even as a child.
And then once I got a little bit older and I was in more middle school age, I started exploring the world of athletics and sports, which was not something that I was previously interested in, but I think all my friends were doing it.
17:16
And so it's a great sense of community and that continues to be the case for me today.
A lot of the reason that I've run is because of the running community and the community that is created from running.
So it was then that I started playing sports and then I started to see, well, maybe I could do track as a way to stay in shape for the other sport that I was doing, which was field hockey back when I was a kid.
17:42
And really found that I was successful in, in, in running and running laps around the track.
And so I continued to do that.
I ended up eventually doing really well at running at the state level.
17:58
I learned a lot through running.
It was actually very, very scary for me as a runner.
I put a lot of pressure on myself.
I would get so nervous before track meets in high school in particular, and it I'm it was very challenging, but I'm really grateful I stayed with it.
18:20
I learned a lot about dedication, staying the course even when things are hard.
And because it was so, it made me so nervous.
I always use that as an example to show like, well, I can do anything else in the world because it makes me less nervous than running in a stadium with everybody watching me.
18:39
And so I think that that running has taken many forms and it's been important for me for very many reasons in my life.
I went on to run in college.
I ended up quitting A Division One track team.
I ran on the team for a couple of years but discovered that it was an unhealthy environment for me.
18:58
So I ended up quitting the team, which again, another lesson learned.
I learned how to quit something that was really important to me and I knew I learned when to quit and I listened to myself.
And so it's funny that running through running, I've really, I think I've uncovered all of these elements of myself that also play into who I am as a person and play into my working life as well.
19:21
So Fast forward to today, I still run.
I am a distance runner.
I'm about to start training for my 4th marathon in my life.
I've done I think 12 half marathons at this point.
19:38
I run now for community.
My neighbor is one of my closest friends and my running buddy and we try to run together multiple times a week.
And I have a lot of friends in town in Portland, OR that are runners.
And I used to live in Eugene, OR, which they call Track Town USA because they're like, it's so deep in in running culture and track culture and where all of that started with.
20:05
Nike back in the day, and so I lived there for a while and I really immersed myself in the running community.
So for me now, it's like I continue to push myself and I continue to remind myself that like my, I am capable of so much and like it's such a great way to connect with other people for me.
20:25
I really appreciate that.
And earlier you mentioned, and I want to point out that you are also a public speaker.
You just recently gave talks at Lyft.
And so you're very seasoned speaker.
And you mentioned earlier, you know, running was or could be scary for you and you would be nervous at times.
20:48
And in my mind, I picture the stadium as a stage, right?
And I feel like practicing running in public's eye in a way, it's practicing how to be on stage, Yeah.
21:06
Could you share a little bit perhaps how being athletic helped you perhaps to be on stage and be a confident speaker?
Yeah, definitely.
It's funny that you bring this up because I recently did this talk for Lyft and I also, while I'm a seasoned speaker and I have this experience doing this, I decided to hire a coach to help me because even I think when we're the best, it's great to have outside perspective.
21:37
And so I had a coach help me and I was actually sharing with her.
Like I don't feel that nervous about this at all because I had that experience back when I was a teenager of getting on the stage and having to perform.
And there's, there's so many things I think that you can't control for in an environment as an athlete, especially as a track athlete.
21:59
There's wind conditions, right?
And I the races I would run were I ran the 400 and the 800 or the 1500, which are multiple laps or at least one full lap around the track.
So every time you make a turn, the headwind might be different, there might the rain might be hitting you differently, or the tailwind might be great.
22:18
Like you might actually be able to really push early part of the race, but then it's harder.
You're running into the wind at the end.
We can't control for those things, right?
And so I think as a, as an athlete, I started to realize like, there's only so much that I can do to prepare for this.
22:37
And I've put in, I've put in the work to prepare for this.
So when that day comes to race or when that day comes to speak, if I want to share this metaphor with today, I've put in all of that work.
Like at the end of the day, I think what helped me eventually kind of calm my nerves when I was back running track was to remind myself that once you get to that starting line, there's actually nothing more that you can do.
23:01
And there's also going to be so much that you cannot control for yet.
Like just enjoy the journey.
Like I'd enjoyed the journey getting there and I enjoy the journey of the race.
Like you get to do this, like this is such a privilege because you worked so hard to get to this line.
23:17
And I had hints of reminding myself of this when I stepped up to do this talk recently and reminding myself like, I can do this.
I am, I am worthy of being here.
I have put in the work.
And yes, for sure, something might go awry, like my microphone might stop working.
23:34
But I that's not a reflection of me.
That's something that I can't control for and just lean into the process and have fun with.
It how was he received?
It was great.
There's I think there's so many measurements of success when you are in this performative environment, whether it's through sports or public speaking, there's your own internal definition of success, which is always how I and continue to evaluate my running right.
24:05
So I'm not winning races.
I, I didn't win that many races in my life, but I always got better with my own time.
And that is exactly how I measure success of this speaking engagement as well.
24:22
I got up there, I was calm, I said what I needed to say.
It was impactful.
And to me, I feel like I did the best that I could.
And so it was successful.
And so I received it very well.
24:39
And I've heard from the organization as well that a lot of other people really felt like it was really hitting the mark when it came to them.
So I was talking all about the three career myths and the things that can hold us back in our career journey and kind of these stories that we tell ourselves.
24:57
And there's many stories that I really focused in on three of them.
And I think all of that is exactly what I needed to hear about a year ago when I was in this place of like, wondering what could be next.
And so, yeah, 1 measurement of success is like, I got to go on that journey and that was the celebration of the journey, and that was successful.
25:21
And of course, another measurement of success is what other people took away from it.
And it sounds like folks really took a lot away.
I love that.
I think the fact that we're doing the things we love doing and we're good at it.
And I think that's absolutely a win.
25:38
And also like, like running, like you said, right?
Like even if you are now winning races, you still win.
Like, yeah, you did it.
Yeah, you did it right.
And like if even if you get there, just getting there, like that's half of that's half of the battle.
25:55
I need to like write that down on a poster and keep it right near me when I'm training for this marathon because I think that that's just, that's like the ultimate reminder of the marathon.
It's not just running the marathon, it's all the training, like months of training that go up to running the marathon.
26:14
Yeah.
And your mind, you are training your own mind as well, the endurance, right?
Like the fact that I believe in you believe in yourself, that I'm going to do this, I can do this.
And I think that training is in a way like very, very valuable.
26:31
And I also want to mention like in today's society, everything is so competitive.
It like people have very kind of definitive kind of definition or idea of what success should look like.
26:48
And I've heard over and over again like someone if, if you have a full time job and if you start earning like 6 figures, then that means you made it.
I'm like who made that number up like 6 feet?
27:06
Like what happened to 80,000?
Right.
And so 5 feet, like why do people think making a six figure means success?
I mean, sure, you would have a lot of financial security at the same time, that shouldn't be the only measurement for people to consider themselves as like I win, you know, quote on for.
27:31
Sure, right.
And it's totally made-up because $80,000 might be it for someone living in a certain place in the world and live like supporting themselves.
But when you start to factor in things like families and healthcare and and hobbies and like that where you live, the cost of housing, right?
27:53
Like there's just so many, there's so many factors.
And so when we say like, oh, you've made it when you hit 6 digits, like describe made it like that's just someone else's definition of success.
I know.
But I hear it over and over again, like I'm making the six figures.
28:13
I'm like, good for you.
Well.
If you live in San Francisco, I was watching the news when I was down there for the Lyft talk and I was watching the news, which I never watch on TV, but I was in a hotel with the news.
So I was listening to them talk about how the you're at poverty if you make under $110,000 a year, which is more than 6 digit.
28:35
Like I mean that is 6 digits, but it's, it's over the starting of 6 digits, right?
And The funny thing is that's poverty level there, right?
So again, like let's define what success means here.
Like and why is it 6 digits?
28:50
Like there's so many different ways other than pay to to explain success.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
I mean, people like to quantify, right?
Like we look at we love numbers.
That's how we define success in our society, Absolutely.
29:09
Yeah.
So I appreciate you providing that perspective.
The fact that we're doing the things we enjoy doing and passionate about, that's already a win.
And so I want to also touch on well-being and mental health.
29:25
I mean, May is Mental Health Awareness Month and I know you are an advocate for well-being otherwise you wouldn't have created Career Breaker show.
And you also mentioned running is one way of taking care of yourself.
29:42
And I heard you mention early on that at some point in your life you learned when to quit.
And in my mind, I also interpreted it as learn to let go of things when it's time.
30:02
When something doesn't serve us anymore, it may be hard to let go because it's something we're so used to, but it's so important to know when to let go.
And I feel that's a very important piece in mental well-being.
30:20
So I would love to invite you to share a little bit more of your experience with letting things go.
I mean, it doesn't have to be a specific thing, but just in general, like letting go.
How has that been for you in life?
Yeah.
30:35
Well, I mentioned before that I let go, I quit the track team, Division One track team.
And as a result of that, like just to get a little bit more specific, like when you quit, when we quit something, often times it means that we lose something.
30:54
And in my case of quitting the track team, I lost a scholarship, I lost money.
So it meant I had to take on more student loans as an undergraduate.
And while I think we often times equate quitting or quitting a job, right?
31:11
If you quit a job, you lose your salary.
I think we equate it.
I think you're really cheesy here.
But also on the other side of things, when we quit, we don't just lose something.
We open the door to new possibilities.
And I think because I have been quitting enough over over my life, I have started to, I think I've conditioned myself to not think so much about what I'm losing when I quit, but what am I gaining and what can I gain as a result?
31:46
And sometimes when we quit or we rest or we let go, like there's actually some resistance in the idea of resting.
And there's, it's, it's definitely going against the grain of society that tells us like we have to keep going no matter what.
32:05
You have to have the next thing lined up.
And I think I've proven to myself that that's not the case.
Often times when we let go and then we lean into possibilities, we get to explore.
And it's through that exploration that we actually and can be curious and we end up somewhere that maybe was unexpected but is the right place for us to be at that time.
32:32
Because we are approaching what can be from a sense of possibility and openness rather than through a sense of scarcity, and because we've let go of that scarcity, there can be opportunities that are more aligned with who we are as people and what we really want.
32:54
And I'm not going to say any of that is easy, but I think the idea behind the Career Breakers show and the original idea of it was to tell these stories of people that actually did quit their jobs.
Because I think we need to hear from more people and give ourselves permission to 1st quit and then figure out what's next from that place of openness and possibility.
33:19
Rather than try to figure that out when you're in the in the burnout mode, when you're unfulfilled, when you're feeling stressed, it's so much harder to make a good decision about what we actually need when we're operating from kind of the bottom of the barrel.
33:35
Yeah.
So yeah, that's a little bit more I would say about like what quitting means to me and what letting go means to me.
I really appreciate that.
And you mentioned the scarcity and I actually like for me, you know, well, I guess for a lot of people, I think there is this line.
33:53
People say I'm not a quitter, right?
Like I think without contacts, sure there is merit in it.
I'm not a quitter.
It means you have tenacity, persistence, You have the energy to pursue whatever you're after.
34:10
At the same time, it also means you hold on to something forever potentially.
And that may or may not be a good thing for you, but I think being able to have that openness to let things go is actually a way of embracing the abundance mindset.
34:34
Because like you mentioned, you know, you are opening doors to possibilities.
When when?
I mean when you hit a wall, right, Some people will be like, I'm gonna break the wall.
I'm gonna get through in my own way.
But what about opening a door, right?
34:50
What if you can take a detour, find a different path, draw your own path and open your own door.
And I think that's like when you mentioned to explore, right?
And I think that's like abundance mindset.
So I really appreciate that.
35:07
And you also mentioned rest and it seems like rest might be in your near future.
And it's not, it doesn't mean laying down, right?
It's like rest can mean so many things to people.
So how do you rest?
35:23
How do you recharge?
Yeah, I like that you mentioned that rest doesn't have to be like physical rest.
I did a leadership incubator a few years ago for women, and I learned about Doctor Sandra Dalton Smith's work around rest then and learning that sleep or taking a nap or laying in bed binging on Netflix is not the only type of rest.
35:51
I welcome all of those types of rest.
I love sleeping, it's great.
Or like resting my body, and that's important.
But I've also learned through her work and the leadership incubator that I did is that there's all these other forms of rest, like social rest where we connect with a friend over coffee or there's the idea of, I think creative rest, like, do we make something?
36:23
I have a friend that lives in town that has a, a company called Creative Pathways and they do workshops where you, it's not about like creating the masterpiece, but it's just like taking a pause and creating, being out in nature, reading a book, making a collage.
36:46
There's, there's social rest like I mentioned of connecting with other people and there can be like spiritual rest.
This morning for the first time ever, I went cold plunging in the Willamette with a friend of mine who's lives in Canada and was in town for work.
37:07
And I would, I would group that under spiritual rest.
Like I had to wake up very early to do it, but I feel like so recharged for the day ahead.
And so, so there's just all these different types of rest and mental rest, sensory rest, like there's just so many more.
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And, and you can do your research if you're listening to this into all these different types.
But I think for me, it's like when I am resting, it's actually very hard for me to just like sit still.
And so I've had to remind myself and give myself permission that that's OK.
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Like it basically, as long as I'm not thinking about my job that makes money, I would consider that rest, spending time with my kids, my family.
Like camping, That's another big one.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, there's so many types of rest.
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I love that and I, I feel like it's also very forgiving, which means it's very kind of like you can decide, you can decide however you want to rest and recharge.
And I wrote down, you know, social rest, spiritual rest, mental sensory, using art and going to nature and be creative.
38:24
And I think for folks out there trying to figure out how to how can we settle, right?
It's like when we, I mean, we are both dog parents, like, how do we, how do we train our mind to settle, right?
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It's just to calm down.
And not everyone is used to just like doing nothing.
So finding a way that kind of helps us regulate our system to feel restful or to feel recharged.
38:57
And I think that's actually a very, it's not easy to do again.
Yeah.
So I'm very grateful that you share your time with us today, Adrian and talking about your journey as a leader, a journey as a creative, a journey as as someone who prioritize your well-being.
39:22
So as we wrap up our show today, I'm curious to learn what do you look forward to?
Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me.
And I am, I am.
39:38
Honestly, I am looking forward to the summertime.
It is May when we're recording this episode, and my kids will be done school in about a month from now.
And we have camping trips planned throughout the summer and travel plans to see family.
39:57
And I'm looking forward to exploring.
I'm also looking forward to going on this journey of training for a marathon.
So check in with me if you're listening to this.
I've now officially said I'm going to do that on a.
Podcast.
So yes.
I feel like the accountability is very high.
40:14
So yes, e-mail me and check in to let me know if you think I need some support.
Go for it, offer some support.
It's a lot, but I'm also looking forward to the journey because every time I go on this journey, and it's been a little over a decade since I trained for my last marathon, but every time I go on this journey, I think I learned something new about myself.
40:37
And so I'm excited to see what what would becomes of this journey and the summer months.
And yeah, just, I love the summer because it feels like all the all the seeds that we've planted throughout the year, like really start to come to fruition and it's an exciting time.
40:59
It's also a beautiful place to live in the summer here in the Pacific Northwest.
So yeah, just excited about that.
And thank you for that.
I look forward to holding you accountable.
I know, right?
And also, of course, where do people find you?
41:16
Where do people go Listen to an awesome podcast and work with you?
Thank you for asking.
So if you'd like to connect with me individually, I recommend LinkedIn.
That's a great way.
Send me a message.
I'm pretty active on there.
My name is Adrian Jones and it's a DRIANE.
41:36
You can also find me online at adrianejones.com and my podcast and my LinkedIn are all connected there.
But if you'd like to listen to the show, you can find it on Spotify, Apple, and I think a couple of other platforms now as well.
41:54
And it's called the Career Breaker Show.
So search for that.
And yeah, feel free to reach out.
I love talking about careers and working journeys and running.
So happy to connect with folks about all of those things.
42:11
Awesome, and next time when we see each other, we will introduce our pops to each other again.
Yeah, love that.
Thank you so much, Adrian.
Thank you.